Aluminum adjuvants and autism: the study

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One of the biggest conversations happening both at the advisory committee on immunization practices That that is getting together. That's the CDC's advisory advisory committee They're looking at what they're looking at aluminum And if you would listen to the pundits and the experts they want us to believe that we can just gargle aluminum Just bathe your children aluminum. Just take showers in the room. Let's just roll it. Can I get some aluminum sheets on my bed? At least that's what it sounds like when I listen to this craziness.

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The White House is shaking up the vaccine world again, this time over aluminum. The nation's health secretary says that the ingredient causes chronic health problems in children and is now asking a CDC committee to look at those claims. But many experts say there's no new science driving this review. Every major health agency from the CDC to the World Health Organization says aluminum is safe. salts or ingredients added to some vaccines to help the immune system respond more strongly. We've been using aspens like aluminum, aluminum salts and vaccines really since the 1940s and we know that they're benign. Aluminum is present in most of our food and drinks and has never been found to be of any harm to babies or adults. They have no long-term or short-term consequences to children. But I just want to emphasize this is really a matter of settled science and the safety and importance of vaccines and protecting all of us, especially at this time of year.

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You know, we keep reporting on how the confidence in our medical establishment and our regulatory agencies is just plummeting. And I watch that news piece and just think, does anyone out in the world actually believe that? Oh, yeah, no. Just inject as many gallons of aluminum into your babies. And we've seen no effect whatsoever. Forget that you've been trying to keep this out of your deodorants for like decades. And all the other reasons we know aluminum is dangerous, but it's perfectly healthy. In fact, it's good for you to inject it.

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I mean, I think that that news piece shows just how far off the reservation science has been, but to bring it back on the reservation and bring it back to reality, there's a huge new study that's just come out, and I'm joined now by two of the authors, Dr. James Newen-Schwander and Dr. Brian Hooker. Brian, is this your first time on set here? This is the first time on set, though. This is absolutely perfect. For anyone that does not know this, if you've been watching this show, Brian Hooker is the reason I'm in all the trouble that I find myself in.

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He destroyed my television career. He absolutely, you know, I got involved in this crazy story of a whistleblower inside the CDC. You're the one that recorded those phone calls. You're the heart of that story with Vax and so of course the film Vax changed my life forever. So Thank you You are so welcome. We we couldn't be happier or prouder to have you as just such a such a mouthpiece and a Luminary in this movement and and so thank you. I mean you you took the bits and pieces of that story you, Andy, and Polly, and you really made it sing.

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I've never seen anything like it. Yeah, it really, it was a world changer. It was a great team to put together. So it's been an interesting journey for me since I started this journey with MMR vaccine. That really is this live virus vaccine MMR. Doesn't have mercury or aluminum. And Robert Kennedy Jr., when we came on to the, you know, when Vax sort of broke out, he was very heavily the World Mercury Project. His focus was mercury. There was no mercury in the MMR vaccine. No, you can't put a toxic heavy metal in with a live virus.

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And so MMR is live measles, mumps, and rubella. And so if you put in the aluminum salts or thimerosal in there, then it would denature. It would actually kill the virus. But it all seems to be coming full circle. We've got Robert Kennedy Jr. sitting at HHS secretary, an absolute miracle. He has removed thimerosal officially forever from the vaccine program and whatever limited amounts was still there. But aluminum, I would say that that was really the deeper I got in the investigation after vaxxed and saying, look, you know, I started to inform Consent to Action Network.

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We wanted to study every vaccine on the childhood schedule and just kept seeing this load of aluminum increasing, you know, starting with the very first vaccine, hepatitis B. So tell me about your study. Was aluminum the focus or was it just something that popped up in the middle of this study? In fact, let me start with the world's longest title. This is their study right here. Aluminum adjuvants, autoimmunity and autism spectrum disorder, a comprehensive mechanistic, neuropathological and legal analysis. There you have it, spider mouth love. I don't know if we even need to talk about this study.

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You got a shorter version of that? Was he like? Yeah, well, I, you know, part of the problem here, Del, is, you know, I'm writing with a bunch of other folks and a lot of them have PhD after their name, which I do not. So my alternative title was actually, yes, Virginia vaccines can cause autism, but that got voted down by the PhDs. All right, so we got stuck with this. Okay, what was this study? What was the methodology? Well, we were looking to see, you know, is there a mechanistic link between vaccines and autism?

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Right, because you're- That's very general. Right, just how do we get there? And it starts with the two ends of that question. So one end is what is autism, right? I mean, autism is defined by a set of symptoms, but it doesn't tell you what the biochemistry of autism is. So the first time I was ever on the show was talking about a study where it was an autopsy study, 63, 64% of all the brains they evaluated in that study showed evidence of encephalitis, and this was actually autoimmune encephalitis.

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So we're looking at the majority of kids on the spectrum have evidence of brain injury from an autoimmune inflammatory process. So what's the difference between an encephalitis and an autoimmune encephalitis? Is it where it affects the brain or how would you know? Yeah, there are different ways to develop encephalitis. Most of us think of encephalitis as a result of an infection. So I get a mosquito bite and I get equine encephalitis late in the summer, at least in Michigan, that's when it happens, but you get inflammation of the brain.

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So encephalitis, that term just means inflammation of the brain, and there's causes for it, but one of the big causes are these viruses. And we know viral encephalitis at a certain age is associated with an increased risk of autism. Let's see, I'm about 40% increased risk if you have. So that is known in the literature. You can get an infection from a disease that'll cause an encephalitis, and then the result is a symptom called autism. Right, at the right time of brain development, and that's the key part.

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I mean, if you develop equine encephalitis. And that's not, just be clear, no one is refuting that. Paul Offit's not gonna say that's crazy. You know? I don't know what Paul Offit's gonna say, but I don't think so. I think it would be very hard to come out and say that because we know that happens. But it's at a certain, yeah, I mean, again, At my age, if I develop equine encephalitis, I'm not gonna develop autism, right? I mean, that ship has already sailed. You have to have it at a critical part of brain development.

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So if you look at kids under two, and there's certain viruses are worse than others, like the herpes viruses are really bad when it comes to creating this type of situation, but you have increased, about 40% increased risk of developing autism if you have that type of viral encephalitis. So we already have historic infectious spaces for the encephalitis. What we're talking about here, and what we talked about the first time I was ever on your show, was this idea that it's autoimmune. So the immune system creates these lymphocytes that actually attack parts of the brain and destroys these neurons, creates injury that will develop into autism.

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That's what that study had said, all right? So we have that as one end of the spectrum. And then the other end is, how do aluminum adjuvants work? We've been using them for almost a hundred years, some of them over a hundred years, right? And I'm not the aluminum expert. This guy knows a lot about it. But what I know is that aluminum adjuvants are added to vaccines to increase the immune reaction because without it, none of these vaccines would work. Okay, how does it do that?

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So that was never really something that was well delineated up until maybe the last 15, 20 years. And now we have- They were literally just using this stuff, putting it in there and saying, oh look, it makes the body react stronger, create more impact on it. Magnifies the immune response, you know, wherever. They didn't really know why. They just sort of, hocus, hocus, magic, inject some aluminum in there, and this whole thing just works better. Right, right. They saw that the inflammatory processes were, you know, were created, and within that, you know, the body is not, You don't have organs that selectively inflame.

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When inflammation occurs in the body, then the entire body inflames, including neuroinflammation. And so when that happens, they neglected the neuroinflammation part. They just looked at the inflammatory cells then that would hasten the immune response and magnify the immune response of whatever was in that aluminum field, whether it was hepatitis B, homophilus influenza B or whatever. So, that is all they were really concerned about, and when you look back at the studies that we're supposed to establish that, yeah, this was safe and effective, they did a fine job with effective, but they really, really screwed up with safe.

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You just said something I just want to clarify, because I keep thinking about, and I've said it, that I think autism appears to be an inability to detoxify while you're going to an inflammatory event and I always see it like a thermometer, almost like a Bugs Bunny cartoon where the inflammation is in the body but if it gets to the brain then you're really screwed. Is that, you kind of just said, if there's inflammation in the body there is inflammation in the brain. Are they happening simultaneously?

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Is that sort of a dumb way to think of it that it has to cross some blood-brain barrier or? Well, there are plenty of inflammatory cytokines, you know, small protein molecules that cross the blood-brain barrier regularly, and so they're going to hasten inflammatory processes. You know, it used to be thought many, many years ago when I was in college and graduate school that the brain was somehow immunologically privileged, that it didn't undergo these things, that it was somehow with the blood-brain barrier shut off. That has been completely thrown out, and we know that neuroinflammation is real.

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You can count on it, and when the body is going through an inflammatory process, then neuroinflammation can and does happen. Okay. So now let's get back to, you know, aluminum is inciting this inflammatory event. And I've said it, when you look at vaccine inserts, almost, you know, I don't know if it's everyone, but it's damn near almost everyone says encephalitis, encephalopathy, some form of brain swelling is a known serious adverse side effect written right on the label. Which makes sense. If it's causing an inflammatory event, certainly it could inflame the brain.

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And now that it has inflamed the brain, then it can lead to all sorts of neurological disorders. You've had a brain injury. I just, I'm shocked. I mean, I know we're gonna get into details. I'm shocked we need details. Like I really am. When I watch Paul Offit and say, we've been using it, we know that it's safe. And the fact that a vaccine could cause autism is just absurd. How is it absurd? It causes, if it can cause brain swelling, everything after that, then can't that lead to seizures?

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Can't that lead to ticks? Can't that lead to all the, you know, all these things that are, as you said, descriptions of being on the autism spectrum. How is it there's just no way these two things come together? Well you really, you know in medicine, you really have to have that mechanistic pathway. How do we get from here to here? Right. With vaccines. So I mean that was the other part of the paper. So define what autism is, you know it's autoimmune encephalitis for the majority and we have certain things like elevation of what he was talking about about these cytokines.

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These are things that induce inflammation, they're involved with the immune response, and those are small molecules. They easily transport around. But so we know, for example, in autism, you have elevation of something called interleukin-1-beta. That's one of these inflammatory cytokines. Interleukin-1-beta, okay? So, and you know, what that does, the interleukin-1-beta will set off a series of events that ultimately will rev up that whole immune system. So it'll bring in T cells, it'll activate them, it'll cause local inflammation. But that's one thing we know. We know that kids on the spectrum have elevated levels of multiple cytokines in their spinal fluid, in their blood, yes, but also in their spinal fluid.

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So we know what happens. They have activated what are called microglia. So the brain doesn't specifically have white blood cells unless they cross the blood brain barrier to get there. But the brain has these specialized support cells called microglia, and they act like immune cells in the brain. They're involved with the inflammatory process, and we know those are activated in a lot of kids on the spectrum. So when you say activated on the spectrum, does that mean at any time in their life you can go and test them and they have these heightened, or is it right after a vaccine?

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They're higher than normal regular health children. When we're talking brain studies, those are post-mortem. So these are people that died, that had autism, died from something. So lived with autism, and then we just go and look at their brains and we see that these interleukin beta higher and these. Yeah, and then we also had spinal tap studies. So we got spinal fluid from kids mainly with autism, and they were able to evaluate that for the presence of these cytokines, and they were present there as well. So we know we have these inflammatory cytokines, and now we go back to aluminum and say, Okay, what is it about these aluminum vaccines?

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Could that in some way create this problem? And that was the other end of the paper and our whole approach to this process is, all right, we're gonna define autism biochemically, not based on symptoms, but biochemically as a majority have autoimmune encephalitis, majority have elevation of certain inflammatory cytokines including big one interleukin-1 beta, but a lot of other things are off. And then over here, what is it about these aluminum adjuvants that could somehow create this, all right? And again, we've used them forever without really understanding the mechanism, which is why it's easy to say there's no way that could cause this.

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How on earth could this shot cause autism? It makes no sense. Well, if you take somebody down that primrose path and all of a sudden, yes, it makes a lot of sense because it turns out that the aluminum vaccines, Unlike any aluminum in food or in baby formula or whatever, these are nanoparticles. They are not cleared like that, all right? So- You're not eating a piece of aluminum foil. These are like- No, no, no, no. If I drink aluminum, my kidneys will clear. It'll be gone in 24 hours.

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I mean, you know, it's cleared very rapidly. When I inject aluminum, hey, it sits in the muscle for a while, right? This was the old theory. It just sits in the muscle and creates a local immune response and you develop systemic antibodies based on that local immune response, please don't vomit, okay. But we know that these things get, that they stay there for a long time, but more importantly, they get taken up by white blood cells whose job it is to ingest these things. I mean, that's what they do.

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They clean house, and when they ingest these things, that's when the trouble starts. So it's moving around the body. Yeah, because they can take that aluminum from the thigh and traffic it up to the brain. All right? So if I, because again, in my practice, most people, when they talk about, you know, their child regressing after a vaccine, these days it's not so much MMR. You know, it's other vaccines, and a lot of them are regressing by the time they're six months old. You know, it's early, right?

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So they're not getting MMR at six months. You know, that's usually 12 to 15 months. And so it's those earlier vaccines that either prime them, and then maybe MMR puts them over the edge, or those earlier vaccines are already creating the process. Once you have these white blood cells that are full of aluminum nanoparticles and you traffic those to the brain, then trouble ensues. You're gonna have a lot of problems with that because of what the nanoparticle form does, right? Right, right, when you look at that, the way that, and it has been established that aluminum in the brain is higher in autistic subjects than compared to normal controls.

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There was a study that came out in 2018 by Christopher Exley. He was the primary investigator on the study. But it was the Mould et al. study that came out in 2018. And it showed that from cadavers that autistic adults had five to 10 times more aluminum trapped in their brains as compared to non-autistic controls. And so we know that it's there. When it gets there, it will interact with a cell component called mitochondria. Mitochondria are very, very sensitive to things like depolarization. And so you have this ionic form of lumen, has a charge, has very, very strong intense charges, plus three, which is very, very strong for a heavy metal.

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you can go plus four and that's about it after that, but plus three is very, very strong. It will tear apart the mitochondrial membrane. That mitochondrial membrane, then when it's ingested and basically the cells are being damaged, then that hastens another part of the immune system that will start to ingest these damaged cells. So you get almost this cascade of the aluminum getting into the brain, it disrupts the mitochondria, the body reacts with what are called damage associated molecular patterns that hastens the immune system to come and clear out the gum, clear out the damage, but at the same time it's affecting and it is directly damaging the brain.

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Because that immune system, when it's involved, is an inflammatory event, correct? So it's under attack, you have mitochondria, the charge is getting messed up, you've got this electronic circuitry getting messed with, the immune system is jumping in to to try and help, causing, I'm assuming, more inflammation on some level? Correct. Correct. Go ahead. No, I mean, you always have to remember, we don't have these symptoms, we don't have these systems built into our bodies so that we can all develop autism, or heart attacks, or encephalitis, right?

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Those systems are there to clear viruses, to repair damage, to clear infections. That's what these molecular patterns were originally developed for, all right? I mean, they weren't developed for aluminum nanoparticles. They weren't developed for- We're working on walking around the planet getting injected with aluminum. Our bodies weren't like, oh, I've got a solution for this. It's a fairly new occurrence to the human experience is getting injected with foreign toxins and aluminum. And it's not just aluminum, there's all kinds of other nanoparticles. We learned with the COVID vaccines that we have lipid nanoparticles, they do the same thing.

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Plastic nanoparticles do the same thing. I mean, he was born in 1960. We had plastic, but not really. Nobody had a water bottle ever. So all that stuff is recent, so we have this system that is beautifully designed to deal with infections and injury and that sort of stuff, and it's being co-opted by these nanoparticles. And part of the issue is, you get these lipid nanoparticles, they're ingested by the white blood cells, right? And inside the white blood cells, they destabilize, not just the mitochondria, they destabilize something called a lysosome, another, you should check out cells, they're pretty cool.

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Yeah. I can tell you, he's geeking out. I know. I love it. I mean, lysosomes are, you know, you make like fatty acids in the lysosomes. You know, they have function, but these lysosomes will leak compounds, and these compounds will set off this thing called NLRP3, which is a danger pattern. It's supposed to recognize these molecular patterns that say there's a problem out there, okay? danger-associated molecular patterns, dams, pathogen-associated molecular patterns, PAMPs, and there's all kinds of AMPs, right? Depends on what the first letter is. But that's what NLRP3 recognizes, what it recognizes that.

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NLRP3, okay, got this. NLRP3 is what's called an inflammasome. By the way, I told you all to be using your notebooks right now. I told you to read notebooks during this segment, just, I warned you. That will be a quiz, it's a yes. There'll be a quiz. So NLRP3 is, I'm not going to go into the acronym, oh my goodness, I don't think I remember it, but an inflammasome is a protein complex. It's a complex of just proteins that are produced, you know, through transcription translation. They come together and they mediate, they initiate and they mediate inflammation.

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And so when these damage-associated molecular patterns, these pathogen-associated molecular patterns then are created basically from mitochondria blowing up, from lysosomes releasing compounds that are basically suicide molecules for the cell, or a suicide, yeah, there's a molecule called Caspase-1 that basically, if a cell is damaged, they're like, oh, we got to get it out of here. So they release this enzyme, Caspase-1 cell. Remember the whole point of an immune system is to kill cells that are Tactic get it out of here kill it right you know attack it natural killer cell like an entire immune system innate systems Throughout the body depending where it's happening is just kill that cell. It's poison and get it out of here. It's contaminated Okay, yeah longer. It sticks around then the longer that hastens a response But what happens is that the inflammas zone?

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As these nanoparticles are sloughing off more and more aluminum salts, aluminum phosphate, aluminum sulfate, there's even one called aluminum hydroxy phosphate sulfate because scientists love long names. But as this is sloughing off, then it's a continuous process. It's continually feeding it. You continually get damage inside the cells. Then cells are getting this suicide signal. then the NLRP3 and flamazone steps up and then it communicates that inflammation to the rest of the body. It communicates the whole thing and it does absolutely end up in the brain. Wow.

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And when it happens there, you know, the NLRP3 activation gets the Caspase-1 level elevated. That's not, you know, cell signaling, that's not the normal cell death signal. That's a different one, that's Caspase-3, but Caspase-1, has a different mode of cell death. So apoptosis is what the term we use for organized cell death. That is gentle, kinder way to get rid of a cell. It just sort of self-digests, it doesn't explode, it doesn't cause inflammation. But with the NLRP3 type activation under the right circumstances, it creates a process called necroptosis, pyroptosis.

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So pyroptosis is a different mechanism of cell death. And in that mechanism, like Brian was talking about with the mitochondria, the cell membrane itself gets porous and stuff comes into the cell, the cell basically explodes, and that's gonna create a lot of local inflammation. Plus, guess what's released with NLRP3 activation and Caspase-1? We talked about it earlier, Interleukin-1 beta, right? So there's a direct link, and then all the local inflammation, Not that Caspase-1 directly is going to activate these T lymphocytes that we found on the autoimmune encephalitis paper, but it's gonna create that local inflammation.

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Rising tide raises all ships. It's gonna increase the inflammation. You're gonna have much more activation of those types of white blood cells. And again, the paper on the autoimmune encephalitis very specifically talked about CD8 cytotoxic T cells. and the fact that there was high levels of something called a granzyme, which is an enzyme released by those cells that is punctured into cells and blows the cell up, just digests the cell from inside out. And again, why would you do that? Because normally the danger signal is, help me, I'm full of nasty viruses that are going to kill you, let's do something about it, and the cytotoxic T-cell says, gotcha buddy, been good to know ya'll.

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This is the guy that stays behind, takes on all the aliens, run for your lives. I got this pulls the grenade blows himself up. That's exactly. It's the day. Yeah, saves the day. So is there any good I mean, this all sounds really bad. nr p threes have benefits to the brains or anything that these things do that, you know, when it's when it's in for the right reasons, it's got a good outcome. Inflammation is there in order to clean out the gunk in order to get rid of cell debris and do sort of the attack against the viruses.

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So in an infection situation, yeah, yeah, absolutely. But when you're bombarding the body over and over again at birth, at two months, at four months, at six months, over a milligram of aluminum at two months, four months, and six months, when you look at the cumulative exposure, and then at 12 months, 15 months, and 18 months, all these are critical neurological periods. And so, you know, the body really cannot keep up. And I think that's one of the reasons why Dr. New is seeing autism earlier, you know, kids are regressing earlier.

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When my son regressed, there were not that many vaccines at two months, and four months, and six months. Now they're loading them up with seven, you know, six or seven needle sticks per visit. Never been tested by the way, doing all of those at one time. The other key part of NLRP3, because like I said, we don't have cholesterol, so we can all have heart attacks. We don't have NLRP3, so we can all get encephalitis. So the key thing with NLRP3 in terms of brain development, and this is back to that question, if I get encephalitis when I'm 65 versus when I'm one, is there, what's the risk of autism?

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It's gonna be much higher at age one. I'm not going to do it at 65. NLRP3 activation is involved with this process called synaptic pruning, all right? So the way the brain develops is you're going to have these neurons and these neurons are just going to throw out a whole bunch of connections. They're going to connect, whatever it is, everywhere, they're going to be all over. And then what you have to do is you have to start trimming back the things you're not using, all right? You know, I always use hearing as an example.

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Like, if we're sitting in a room and we actually heard every noise in the room, we would never be able to concentrate on anything. So we have the ability to block out some of those noises. That's sort of pruning the auditory input. So the needed information and get rid of all the- Right, right. So we stick with the pathways that are important and we prune the ones that we don't need, right? So the most important window of synaptic pruning is in that three months to 18 months window.

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when we're, again, we're bombarding these kids, you know, they get that. And NLRP is what is part of that synaptic pruning in nature. Like, actually, with no vaccines involved, it's in there pruning. We use that process, that's one of the processes we use, to create synaptic pruning, all right? Because, again, how are you gonna take away connections? You've gotta get rid of the extensions of the neuron. You know, we call them dendrites. We have to get rid of those. So how are you gonna get rid of that?

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Well, you have to have controlled destruction of tissue, all right? You don't want the thing blowing up, but you just say, well, no, let's get rid of this little tendril over here. Let's get rid of this thread over here. And by doing that, you're doing it in a controlled- So the same time this is happening in the brain in this new infant, we're injecting a product that is now inciting more NLRP3. What could happen? Like adding at the time where it's going through this very delicate pruning process, hey, let's just flood the brain with even more of this.

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Is it a chemical one? It won't be the word to call it.

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I'm sorry, go ahead. No, no. Okay. Well, NLRP3, how do you mean? NLRP3 is just a complex of many, many individual proteins that come together and then control and steer that process. But when you dysregulate that process, then- Throw that away. Some dendrites don't get pruned, others get over pruned. There are areas of over pruning and under pruning. Generally, under pruning leads to massive, massive connectivity, and then you get children like my son, who does hear and does pick up and does process every noise that he hears in the room.

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This is why we see the kids in grocery stores and things that have to wear the earphones around. They're just, they can't block out. They're just hearing every sound. Almost super, like superheroes, like Superman must go crazy actually, hearing everything through walls. and we just never got into that part of the issue. Interesting. No, again, it's, I don't know, it's human hubris that we think we can come up with a product that we're gonna inject that doesn't have side effects. I mean, I don't think any person who, a vexingologist, a virologist, whoever they are, is gonna say, yeah, there's this one thing that doesn't cause any side effects.

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I think everybody recognizes that. It's just they live in this world of delusion where the side effects are local irritation, local inflammation, and maybe one in a million bouts of. But that would've been fine 100 years ago. I mean, that's where I'm with Paul Offit, all these people. You're wearing blinders now. We are, so all you really did is you just said, let's take everything we know about aluminum, aluminum adumance, what are they inciting? What is it known to do in the body? Let's go over here and look at what is really defining characteristics of autism on a molecular and chemical level, not just the symptoms we see, but what we know is happening inside of the brain when we do a brain scan, brain studies, all of this.

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And so you said, we know that we're having an immune activation inflammatory event. We've seen that in 65% of the brains. We know that NLRP3 is what prunes the brain at this very fragile, super important time in the baby's life. And we know aluminum is inciting that and increasing that process. And this has every ability to dysregulate it if you go in and jump in and start monkeying around at this very critical time. So could we say that, so are you saying this paper proves that aluminum causes autism?

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We went through a series of nine steps called the Bradford Hill criteria. And that's where the paper ended. You know, that was the, and we want to make it crystal clear that from a legal causation basis. Is this sort of like Koch's postulates? Well, yes. It's sort of replaced Koch's postulates. Okay. Koch's postulates really don't apply to a lot of things that are current. Correct. But it's a way to test a hypothesis all the way out. If this, yes, then this, then yes, then it gets used to it.

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Right, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. Okay. Right, right. And nine different steps. And in each one of these validation steps, then we could show that aluminum was linked to autism. Some of them involve epidemiology, some of them involve biochemistry, some involve reproducibility, some of them involve similarity with animal models and things like that. And so you step through all of these criteria. It was developed by a gentleman by the name of Sir Bradford Hill in 1965. And that has been the gold standard that, like the Institute of Medicine, now the National Academy of Medicine, has used in order to rank causation between vaccines and vaccine adverse events.

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So we went to basically what the National Academies considers the Bible, or what's the proof in the pudding, and that was the Bradford Hill Criteria.

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Yeah, and that's really the icing on the cake. So it's not just a bunch of terms and cellular mechanisms and everything, but to just to show that yes, there are circumstances, and again, we didn't really talk about the susceptibility, but we talked about the genetic susceptibility as well, that a lot of these kids, they don't clear aluminum very well, they don't detox very well. There are certain genes associated with autism that are also, they have more inflammation. The healthy kid is gonna be clearing that aluminum out of the body faster, or not healthy, a kid that's not as prone to autism.

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Correct, right, and you know, these things are changing over time, but you know, Brian, we should have had him be an author. We could have shaved about 32 pages off our article. No kidding. Well, we really, all we needed was a title and a figure, and we did an absolutely fine job. Brian, when we were talking the phone before you came on with this, you've done some very, very important work in this space. be the most prolific scientist with all the studies. You've written books with Robert Kennedy, Jr., Vax versus Unvaxed.

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You've analyzed so many studies around the world that maybe weren't even looking at that. But you said, look, you have a Vax versus Unvaxed cohort. You didn't even know it. What did we find there? Some incredible work. But you said to me on the phone, I think this may be the most important study or work that I've ever done in my life. Why are you saying that? Because this captures the essence of what is going on with these children.

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We are in an era where the toxic load is getting higher and higher and higher and higher and higher. And then the genetic susceptibility, the bar for genetic susceptibility, when my son was diagnosed with autism in 2000, was much, much higher. He had, we looked at genetically, it was very, very difficult for him not to have autism. But now once that toxic load then increases and then you get, you know, then less and less genetic susceptibility comes into play, then you get an epidemic. And to me, looking at this, and we used AI a lot for this particular paper.

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Don't worry, we didn't use AI to write the paper and we checked all the references. But we did ingest about 700 people And what came out of that, and what then we found was the biggest problem that we felt with the vaccination schedule. Not all of the problems with the vaccination schedule, but the biggest problem currently to date if you are a child participating in the vaccination schedule would be the aluminum adjuvant. And to me, that was really enlightening. It's almost like the people that have been making these vaccines could have predicted it.

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This is Paul Offit just a few weeks ago. Let's take a look at this. Let's take a look at this the vaccine in your comp make no doubt about the f F. Kennedy Jr's interest. a law firm out of Arizona in the vaccine in your co a goal towards altering i it's going to happen. And you should never do one o I'm going to make a predi in the probably by no la year, maybe the spring o going to see Robert F. Kennedy holding up some paper that he's going to publish in a journal that is a fringe journal. I'll put that nicely. The journal that he uses is called Science, Public Health, and the Law, which has an editorial board that consists solely of anti-vaccine activists. So he's going to publish this paper that says that aluminum adjuvants in vaccines are causing harm. Now, aluminum adjuvants are in seven different vaccines given to young children, not like thimerosal, where you can just go from multi-dose to single dose. Well, there's no taking aluminum adjuvants out of vaccines. There are certain vaccines that just need adjuvants to get a better immune response. What he's then going to do is he's going to say, see, it's causing autism, asthma, eczema, whatever. And he's going to either add that to the Vaccine Injury Compensation Program, which will break that program, or he will take vaccines out of the Vaccine Injury Compensation Program and say, I don't think I think they should get the protection of that program.

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Let's leave them open to the slings and arrows of outrageous civil litigation. It's uncanny the way he was able to pull aluminum out of the ethers as the paper that would come forward. Now, of course, Bobby didn't put this paper out. You guys are. But there's several things wrong with what he does. First of all, if there is an issue, if you have half a brain, it's gonna be aluminum. If you look at the studies that have not been done, and this is probably the body of work that I can't represent is just the ocean of studies that were not done.

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Not the mountain of studies that they say were done, it's the absolute, like the opposite. No study's done, really looking at this, you're finally looking at it. But when he says essentially that'd be the end of the vaccine program, to me you see a horrifying bias in that statement. Meaning we can never land on aluminum being a problem because it is in too many of our vaccines. And if we had to replace that element, then the entire program would come crashing down. So I don't know if that makes people feel like comfortable, but what I see is that means everyone that has ever supported this product will go out of their way to make sure we never ever come to the conclusion, aluminum's a problem, or that conclusion means this whole vaccine program is a problem.

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Am I hearing that wrong? I think you have to look at it a few different ways. I mean, the whole assumption of this is that vaccines are the only answer, right? And so we all know that there are many other things we can do to help control disease, right? It's not the center for disease control and prevention, it's the center for vaccines. I mean, that's what the CDC has become. They don't look at any other way to control outbreaks, any other things that can do for the population to lessen morbidity and mortality of these diseases, right?

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And a lot of us are very concerned that, you know, if measles broke out today, given where we're at, it probably would be a problem. You know, I agree with that. It's not necessarily the benign disease it was when I was a kid and had it, because we have all this other stuff in the environment. So that's one of the big things there. But the second thing is, if you take aluminum out, what are you putting in? Because regardless of what you put in, all the adjuvants they have still have this, a similar mechanism.

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Right? And so, how you get the immune system to go. So, you know, it always drives me nuts when we have a, you know, a study like the aluminum and asthma study, right? So they do this study and it came out positive. Yeah, it came out positive. So what do they do? They run to Denmark and say, let's do a study in Denmark. Well, guess what, dude? You know, do they give hepatitis B in Denmark? No. When do they give the first vaccine in Denmark? At one day old, at two months old?

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No, three months. Is it earliest? Three months, six months. So by six months, they've had two sets of vaccines. So how much synaptic pruning got to happen in Denmark before we messed with it? Bingo. Exactly right. So if you're going to run to Denmark, then do Denmark's vaccine schedule, right? You don't have the issues, and you covered this, You don't have the issues in Denmark with the vaccine schedule that we have here. It's not mandatory. You can vaccinate or not vaccinate, right? Most people choose to, but you don't have all this friction and all the issues we have in the United States where you can't even say, well, maybe you should study that.

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You heretic. We've been using these for over 100 years. They've been proven to be safe and effective. Why? Well, we've been using them and everybody's okay. Really? Have you looked at the health of our children, right? I mean, I'm the president of the Medical Academy of Pediatrics and Special Needs. That's all we do. You know, we have a conference coming up. It's completely sold out because the need to have practitioners understand it. Let's talk about that. We've got the MAPS conference coming up really quick right here.

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There it is. Certainly, if you're a doctor, I think you missed that. It's pretty much packed out there, which is exciting news that the work you're doing, So many doctors want to learn about this to start looking at special needs and how that's being affected pediatric. But there's also a parents program there. Yeah, so we're, for the first time, we're doing a parent conference as well. Because, to me, what's gonna change medicine are the parents, the parents demanding things from the doctors, that would change things overnight.

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Doctors are just gonna do what we're told or what the parents want us to do. But if the parents are on board with what we're talking about, that would change everything. We need, what would it be like to have 60 million Brian Hookers walking into your office? All right, you're gonna change your mind about vaccines because he's gonna educate you about it. So the parent conference is the first time we're doing it. There are still spaces available for that. I believe we have a discount code for people, HW20, get 20% off the admission for that.

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But it's the first time we're doing it. But again, it's gonna be the same sort of science-based presentation that we do for the doctor is just not quite as dense. And you know that I won't be there to make it make sense. What are we going to do, what are we going to do? No, I mean, the beautiful thing about the doctor part of it, and it's just it's the demand part. I mean, this is not the first conference we've sold out. We've just sold it out earlier than our previous two.

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All right. So we've sold out the last three conferences. We keep increasing space, which can be a problem because we have to find hotels big enough to have space for us. We're not quite to the convention center size yet. And it just tells you that there's a demand out there that people like the American Academy of Pediatricists are not meeting that demand. It's the sleep of the wheel, no. Right? They're not meeting that demand. I mean, the fact that they'd be against the Denmark study, I find this hilarious.

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They'll all point to the Denmark study. Well, look at the Denmark study. They didn't see autism. But then why do you have a problem going with the Denmark vaccine program? Right, absolutely. You can't have it both ways. Brian, I wanna ask you just as a sort of final question because I know Dr. New works with these children, But as you're doing work like this, it's so personal for you. Son's a huge part of your life. His regression into autism probably changed your career trajectory forever. But as you, it's almost like Raiders of the Lost Ark, you're unpacking these details in a study like this, is at this moment that what you finally discover is really the cause of this horrific event in your own family.

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What is that like as you sort of come in on understanding this more and more as you reflect on the moment it happened with your own son? We do not want anyone to go through what these families have gone through and what my family went through personally. I remember getting my first result back from when they did a hair metals test for my son. He did not have a first baby haircut. his first baby haircut was a hair metalist test. And so it was really poignant. It was really, really difficult because we were trimming his hair in order to send the trimmings in.

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And when it came back, it showed that he was so mercury toxic that his hair would be considered a hazardous waste. And so he was detoxifying that mercury. Fortunately, that's how that hair skin nails is how mercury is detoxed urine feces. But it's such a poignant moment that I lived through, and I remember getting those results, you know, actually getting paper results from the doctor's office, and just crumpling down in the bathroom floor and just sobbing, because we knew at that point that you cannot un-autism a kid, you cannot unvaccinate your child. You just cannot. Once that vaccine is in, it's going to do frank damage. And frankly, with the vaccine scheduled today, you know, prior to Secretary Kennedy, no one gets a pass. There's damage that is done to every single child, whether you know it, whether you recognize it or not. And so if we can prevent that, we can prevent that happening. That's a good day.

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It really is. What an incredible work you both are doing. It's just an honor to know you. I want to thank you for taking the time to join us today. If you'll stick around for Off the Record, Brian, I understand you got yourself in trouble. You got written up in The Guardian for catching measles. You came down to Texas in a measles outbreak and actually was running around with measles. Is that right? I had the measles. I wasn't running around. I did. Hold that thought. We're going to talk about it off the record. I want to thank you both for joining us. Look, if you want to see what the MAPS program is all about and this conference that's coming up and all the great work that these doctors and scientists are doing in pediatrics around special needs, the special needs is skyrocketing, unfortunately, around this planet. So odds are it affects you or someone near you. Take a look at this.

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If you are a parent or caregiver of a child with autism or other chronic health conditions And you want to take a deep dive into the root causes of these conditions, as well as effective therapies to improve the health, behavior, and development of your child, you will definitely want to consider attending, or tuning in virtually, to the first ever parent forum at the upcoming MAPS conference. That's the Medical Academy for Pediatric Special Needs, and it's taking place in Charlotte, North Carolina, on March 15th. Registration link is below.

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My name is Maury McDonald and I've been a pediatric nurse for over 40 years and MAPS is absolutely the best children's health conference I've ever attended. At this upcoming one and a half day parent forum, you'll find world renowned physicians discussing research-based approaches for helping children achieve their maximum level of health and well-being. I hope to see you there.